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Tuesday, 7 Oct 2008

McCain doesn’t want to win

I don't know if you guys have been watching the same McCain campaign that I've been watching, but has it been majorly sucking lately or what? I mean, I refrained from commenting on the last debate, simply because I was so angry that I- a measly blogger from egypt- actually had better answers than McCain on the questions he was being asked, well, that's just not a good indicator is it? And why is he sticking to the mavericky crap? It's nice being called a Maverick, but calling yourself one time and time again? That's like Obama calling himself " the great Hope" time and time again. It's hokey, it's unappealing and it's unbecoming. And now it's a national joke. I counted the amount of people on my friendslist on Facebook who are "feeling mavericky" today, and it's more than 2 dozens. While that says something on their level of creativity, it says volumes on how this talking point is dead. All is not lost, however, and McCain can still turn this thing around, but there are a number of things that he needs to do in order to stop sucking, and here is a couple of them. So, John, if you are reading, pay attention:

 1) Start today's debate with the following statement " Ladies and gentlemen, before I start today I would like you all to note something very significant: I have been in the senate for a some time, enough time for me to have what is referred to as a record; My opponent doesn't have a record, primarily because he was in the senate for like a year before deciding to run for President. Now, he knows this, and he knows that his only chance of winning this is to smear my record, so here is what he is going to do: He is going to keep saying Bush-McCain, Bush-McCain, Bush-McCain, in an attempt to link my record to President Bush. Now, Barack Obama knows I am not George Bush. Hell, all of you know I am not George Bush, and you all know how many times I have disagreed with the President in the past 8 years, on a number of issues that I could spend all night listing, but for example: The judges, the torture issue, the surge, campaign finance reform, etc etc. In each one of those issues, I decided to put Country above Party, and take a position that cost me popularity points with my colleagues and the republican base, because I knew it was the right thing to do for my country. Barack Obama has never done that. Never took a risky position on anything, never challenged his party on anything, never really been a leader on anything. So again, he has to smear me, or otherwise he looks bad. Me, while I understand it's politics as usual from him, Can't fathom how the people forget that while I was the democrats favorite republican senator for the past 8 years- so favorited that the democratic nominee in the last election wanted me to be his VP, have now suddenly became the same as Bush. Well, for the record Senator Obama, my name is John McCain, and you shouldn't forget this name because I was serving this country while you were in diapers. And to you, dear audience, please count the amount of times he will try to link me to Bush tonight. I promise you this much: it will make of an amusing drinking game." Now watch as Obama scrambles to find another strategy as you defused his only one.

2) Dude, you are a fiscal conservative republican, which means you are a DICK. Act like one. When you are discussing Obama's so called economic plan, go for the impracticality issue: How you don't know how Obama claims in his budget to increase education spending, reduce taxes on the middle-class, provide universal health care for everybody, make college education affordable for everybody, increase the size of the army and at the same time cut the deficit and balance the budget. Especially now, with the new 700 billion spending bill they just approved. You stress how for you it sounds like he is saying whatever the people want to hear to elect him, and that you are not doing that. You are going to do it the old-fashioned way: not pander to anybody, cut the waste and balance the budget. Just the way you always did it.

3) If they want to talk economy, then talk about how the most important thing to do is to create more american jobs. Pure and simple. that's the only thing that will fix the economy. How do you do it? Well, make it attractive for corporations to expand in america and hire americans, and for people to create new businesses and hire more people, by cutting , if not giving a limited time exemption, of corporate taxes. Tell them that you propose that from now on every new company that opens up and hires americans would get a tax exemption for the next 5 to 7 years, based on the size of the company and the amount of americans and residents they hire. Inform the already existing corporations that if they bring back 50 % or more of the jobs that they have outsources to the US, you will make their corporate taxes the same as Dubai's for the next 5 to 7 years: 4%. This will lower the cost of business in the US, thus encourage more foreign investment, more local investment, and will create more and more jobs, which means more salaries, more savings, more consumption= a functioning economy. Oh, and the tax difference they can probably make up with the Income tax revenues all of those new jobs will create.

4) I wish you never were for the bailout, because that would've been your issue. You could've exposed how much of a corrupt facade it was, and how if the issue was really liquidity, they could've just lent the financial corporations the money with the mortgages as collateral, instead of straight up taking the bad mortgages off of their hands, thus creating a huge opportunity for corruption and waste. But alas, you caved in, like they all did in the senate, but there is still something you can do about it: attack the earmarking they did in the house. You know, the 200 million they gave to rum manufacturers, the 120 million they gave to Nascar, the 2 million they gave to bow and arrow manufacturers. ATTACK THAT. Attack the republicans who asked for them. If you are truly against earmarks, you should totally own this issue, especially that the version you voted for didn't have all of this pork attached to it. And guess which party's majority voted for it: yes, the democrats. You can't lose with that one.

5) Stop with the Maverick crap. For real. Remind the voters of who you are supposed to be: You are a veteran of war and politics, and the one man steady enough to hold this country through those troubling times, instead of untested Orators who make people feel good but offer no substance. But have someone zap you every time you saw that maverick word. Seriously.

Why do I bother? He is going to lose this debate anyway. Obama just wants it more and it shows. And if he ends up winning it, well, good on him anyway, because he fought harder and committed less mistakes. Although I do have to say that american elections have this fantastic effect of taking two candidates that you liked at the beginning of the race and makes you really fuckin hate them near the end of it. Oh well. One month left to go. 

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  4. robert bork Says:

    ‘I- a measly blogger from egypt- actually had better answers’

    nope you don’t think your measly, you egyptians have an opinion about EVERYTHING!!! i’ve had it with you and your brothers behind the kabob stands and cabs, who foist their 2 cents on everyone.

  5. Valerie Says:

    Actually, the bow-and-arrow thing was not so bad: a manufacturer of wooden training arrows got swept up with the high-tech guys so that a 39 cent arrow was taxed 30+ cents, the same tax as the composites.

    This is a niggle. However, it does require explanation, and it had no place in this legislation. Some of the other provisions are as agregious as they sound.

    I chanced to hear McCain hit Barry O in a speech, yesterday. I think he’s suckered BO into raising the Keating 5, and I think he will respond that yes, he has a past, and he has always come clean about it. He has been accused, investigated, and cleared. Barack Obama, however, refuses to admit that he even has a past. He has no records from his time in the Illinois Senate, or at a law firm, or as an “activist,” or health records, or grades in school, or even a genuine birth certificate.

    He ought to mention that, although Barack Obama very jealously guards his privacy, when he is involved in a campaign, people’s private records, such as sealed divorce records and email, suddenly become public. McCain might suppose out loud that he’s lucky he doesn’t have sealed divorce records and does have old injuries to his hands that make it difficult for him to use email.

    McCain might mention that, like Barack Obama, Obama’s supporters can’t take the scrutiny, either. That Saturday Night Live skit about the bailout went *poof* off the Internet due to somebody’s objections. That’s another, crucial difference between the campaigns. McCain and Palin have protested the outright lies, and pointed out when it has been unfair for papers to publish irrelevancies and speculation, but they sure haven’t tried to stop the jokes.

    We live in an open society, and if we want it to stay that way, we all have to learn to take a joke.

    We have a saying about this, “If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.” — US President Harry S. Truman is said to have used that sentence often.

  6. leo Says:

    The survey, including a three-day sample of 400 likely voters collected over each of the previous three days – Oct. 4-6, 2008 – shows that Obama holds a slight advantage amounting to 2.4 percentage points over McCain. This represents a bit of a recovery by McCain, who had been sliding in some polls before his running mate, Sarah Palin, put in a strong performance in her one and only debate performance last Thursday. Though a Zogby poll showed that Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden actually won that debate, it also showed Palin far and away exceeded expectations, and that has apparently helped stop McCain’s decline in the polls.
    Three Day Tracking Poll (10/6/2008)

    Obama 47.7%

    McCain 45.3%

    Others/Not sure 7.0%

    The Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll, conducted by live telephone operators in Zogby’s in-house call center in Upstate New York, included a total of 1,237 likely voters nationwide, and carries a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percentage points.

  7. Shunkleash Says:

    Loved the post. I just wished AMERiCANS would sit up and LISTEN to what they are being told as opposed to just HEARING. Honey coated poison is still POISON!

    If they did listen, they would realise that Obama generally does not say anything. He is eloquent, and determined, and direct, and strikes a good “pose”…bla bla bla but you see, he uses about 100 words to say “yes” or “no” and about 750 words to say, “i intend to fuck every hard working american up the ass with my tax plan so that I can tax him and give some of his hard earned money to a liberal minded butterfly with a pink ribbon some indolence money”. Too bad, this is not our race…

  8. Marie Claude Says:

    yeah, that’s also my impression, leave him alone, he deserves retiremernt

    how hell the repubs didn’t choose Romney or Guliani !!!

  9. Twosret Says:


    I agree but the sad part is that McCsame will retire very comfortable unlike veterans his age and the average American will go to hell if he becomes president like the people who are shooting themselves already because of financial difficulties.

  10. Marie Claude Says:

    money explained to the dummies,

    it’s the hell everywhere, no one candidate can do anything

    the bank system is rotten, we’ll get to change the rules

    but I doubt that there is a volontary at the moment

  11. Valerie Says:

    Hold onto your hats, everybody, because this one is going to be a rough ride for all of us, regardless of who wins.

    I find it simply amazing that we have one candidate advocating the failed economic policies of the last 40 years running against a genuine reformer, who, had we followed his advice several years ago, might have mitigated this mess. And, the advocate of the failed economic policies, who is being advised by the people who are going to profit from this debacle, who opposed reform, is referring to the reformer as “McSame.”

    The corker is that there are people who believe him.

  12. Twosret Says:

    I guess Valerie is not feeling very mavericky after the debate :-)

    The nasty McSame couldn’t hide his disdain not presidential at all.

  13. Twosret Says:

    McNasty calling a presidential candidate THAT ONE.

  14. Twosret Says:

    So much to say on the debate from both sides but this one was laughable. McSame saying about Osama Bin Laden

    “I’ll get him. I know how to get him, and I’ll get him no matter what.”

    oh really McNasty? and why are you not telling George Bush how to get him? wouldn’t that be ummmm not very patriotic?

    Oh and saying “my friends” 15 times in 90 minutes that was very very very old

  15. brooklynjon Says:


    Funny, Kerry said the same thing about bin Laden. And the Messiah – I mean Obama – merely said he’d invade Pakistan to get him.

    I agree that the “my friends” thing is a little creepy.

    SM, great post.

    The other thing that McCain HAS to talk about, and is thus far oddly silent about, is the role that “community organizers” like BO had in creating this mortgage mess. Some of the reduced lending standards was caused by disreputable mortgage brokers. But some of it was caused by pressure from community groups promoting lower standards in the interest of increasing the availability of home loans to marginal borrowers, who were disproportionately minority. Well, surprise, surprise! When you lend money to people with marginal qualifications, a disproportionate percentage of those loans fail! Who’d have thunk it?

  16. Adam B Says:

    Two: I’m pretty sure McCain was reffering to Obama in his position as senator… What he had meant to say was probably something along the lines of:

    “Which senator? That one…”

    Instead it ended up as

    “Who? That one…”

    Pretty harmless actually, but this election has brought out the worst in people and everyone is seeing/hearing things from the worst perspective.

    And I’m an Obama-supporter by the way!

  17. Adam B Says:

    17. Xylo:

    Why not just make it free? It works in many other countries…

  18. Adam B Says:

    Nah, but why not have state-funded colleges and let the students attend for free? There’d still be room for private colleges for those with the money to afford it, but everyone else would at least have the option of getting a proper education despite their family’s financial situation…

  19. brooklynjon Says:

    Adam B.,

    In Free Market Economics, the way to rationally allocate a scarce good is to have those people deriving benefit from it pay for it. If you make education free, then everyone will get an education. But is it really so great to have a cadre of gardeners with Art History degrees? Do taxi drivers really need to know Literature? Can you explain to me the social benefit to this, and explain to me why it is in my interest to pay for it (and, of course, if it is in my interest to pay for it, why is it that I’m not already doing it)?

    Put another way, the assumption is that the only valuable knowledge is academic knowledge (the sort you get in college). Of course, the people making this assumption are all people with university degrees, universally certain of their superiority over people without such credentials. While free education for everyone sounds like a wonderfully egalitarian rally cry, actually the assumption behind it is not egalitarian at all. It’s just another example of people placing a greater value on what they do, and a lesser value on what others do.

    And finally, one certain way to devaluate something is to make sure everybody has it. It used to be that a high school diploma meant something. Now it is meaningless. Graduation from college was once a very impressive feat. Now, it is far less so. It is not clear to me that society has benefited from having masses of overeducated people with economically useless educational backgrounds, whining that they now deserve a high-paying job served to them on a silver platter. Better they should pay for their education, and value it. Or decide that it’s not worth it and go get a job.


  20. Pat Says:

    McCain is essentially a technic not easily drawn out of his shell, but may have a lot more going on inside than he is able to show to the public.

    Obama looks as if he has more going on outside than inside, in part because of his liberal gadfly image which has worked for him as popularity.

    The question is whether either of them will work for America, or are we stuck with the best either can do?

  21. Adam B. Says:

    Xylol, if the US already has free college, what is your point in 17.?

    BJ, that is not how the system works and you know it (well, if you’ve ever been outside the states you do…). People tend to get the education that their ambitions allow them to, so your fear of taxi-drivers with masters in Philosophy is moot. Free education, including the higher kind, is a cornerstone in developing a society where everyone has equal opportunities, something americans should appreciate, no? If people haven’t got the opportunity to live up to their potential, the society will not benefit from it, and as a consequence, society will have less people to make the big money and more people to support because they can’t make any money whatsoever. If you’re worried about people just getting a degree for the hell of it, dropping out after a few years or just plain lazying their way through an education without putting in the necessary work (and all those have been issues on this side of the pond, sure), there are plenty of ways you can minimize this – demands on high grade average, payback of college-money if the education is not completed, stop-tests every semester and whatnot.

    The point is, a well-educated populace is a flexible and prosperous one, and tends to make for a more stable society and economy.

  22. Adam B. Says:

    Xylo 23: What you’re wishing for is an extremely rigid workforce. Granted, in a huge country like the US it might work out, but in smaller societies/communities that’s a recipe for disaster. Flexibility is what makes for a strong economy. I’d guess even large countries can (and should) be broken down into smaller regions since the mobility of the workforce doesn’t neccesarily increase with the size of the country.

    My knowledge of higher education in the US is very limited, but from your description it seems to me that higher education itself is very rigid over there…? Do chemistry majors really have to study litterature? To quote a well-known american saying: “Well, THERE’s your problem!” ;)

  23. Marie Claude Says:

    Free education should be a state worry, but also not allowing all the persons to enter into university if they don’t have the level and or a motivation, therefore a selection is necessary. Not all the persons have skills to absorb an abstract knowledge, that doesn’t mean that they aren’t intelligent, but that they are more practical, handy works request also intelligence ; our cultural monuments are the witnesses of it, our traditions of food, artesans, commerce… navigation, plenty of possibilities when people can get a life and express themselves

  24. tedders Says:

    “My knowledge of higher education in the US is very limited”

    Well, we agree on something!! ;)

  25. Twosret Says:

    I agree with Adam B. on the education system. My child should be able to go to a decent college if they want to become doctor, lawyer, etc….without having to pay for the rest of his/her life student loans or break my budget and make me wonder if I can afford to retire.

    For a country like America it shouldn’t be so hard to educate our children for free or for a reasonable cost. Totally ridiculous to see how much it costs to educate a child so they get decent education.

  26. Twosret Says:

    This one made me laugh lol

  27. Joe Says:

    Unfortunately they both sold out and voted for the bailout. And McCain instead of being up front and following your script which I agree is the true John McCain, stood up and insulted me by talking like a used car salesman ” I like to call it a rescue.” Give me a break. Now the plan is to attack Obama for associating with a 1960 radical and being willing to communicate with our emenies. We all watched Arafat get a Nobel peace prize – can I say anything more? Actually I can. Remember keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I really wanted to vote for McCain but his campaign is doing everything possible to force me to vote against him.

  28. Twosret Says:


    If I may ask, what alternatives did we have other than the bailout? this is so confusing and so complicated and I don’t understand what alternatives did they have but to bailout.

    I’m not defending anyone I’m just asking.

  29. Craig Says:

    I finally agree with Twosret on something!

    For a country like America it shouldn’t be so hard to educate our children for free or for a reasonable cost. Totally ridiculous to see how much it costs to educate a child so they get decent education.

    And it is getting worse, every year. At least here in Calififornia, the State schools used to be fairly reasonable. Now, they seem to be every bit as greedy and self-serving as the privately run universities. Something has to be done. Rich families can afford to send their kids to school no matter what it costs, and poor families can get financial aid to cover most of it, but middle class families get screwed.

  30. Valerie Says:

    Hey, when you divert money, which had been specifically intended for improving the education of children, to the furtherance of the goals of a political party, you don’t get improved education of children. That’s what happened with the Annenberg foundation in Chicago.

    When you divert money, which had been specifically intended for making it easier for individuals to obtain mortgages for homes, to all kinds of different projects to secure votes for a political party, and to individual legislators in order to defer scrutiny, you get a mortgage market collapse.

    Craig, I’d suggest that the State of California hire an independent forensic accountant, and turn him loose on the education budget.

  31. leo Says:

    ACORN is being accused of twisting arms of numerous banks forcing them to give out sub-prime mortgages.

    ACORN also is under investigation for voter fraud.

    Obama’s campaign admits connection to ACORN.

    If done correctly McCain’s campaign will be able to shift blame for RE bust onto Obama.

    Let’s see.

    PS. Yes, McCain lost last debate. Let’s hope we will not let him lose the country.

  32. leo Says:

    Obama and Rashid Khalidi.

    Watch out. One can lose Florida that way.

  33. Mike T Says:

    Okay, just when I’d thought I’d seen it all…a Muslim Republican, you must have missed the part where the Republicans have been trying to paint Obama as a Muslim to show how unamerican and evil he is. Well, get back to that.

    The problem with the Republican arguments against Obama is that you seem to get stuck at certain weird points in time but seem not to see what is right before you, right now. Cases in point.

    1) Obama is a great orator but says nothing. This was a vaild criticism of Obama at the START of his campaign. Even Democrats hinted to this. So what did Obama do? He laid out a detailed plan of what he intends to do. Now, whether you agree with that plan or not, it is irrelevant. But Republicans get stuck in the past even though plans has been laid out. Ironically, it is now MCCAIN who is being accused of having no clear economic roadmap when is why he is being lambased in the polls. I mean, seriously, he wants to effect a direct bailout of everyone who is having trouble paying their mortgage? Really? After implementing that plan do you think that there would be ONE SINGLE homeowner in America who would admit that they could pay their mortgage? The US would have to bail out every single homeowner and even we can’t print money that fast…the plan is fatally flawed and the only thing McCain has managed to stutter coherently in almost a year.

    2) Blame Obama. Oh I am sure that Obama is responsible for everything from Genocide in Dafur to the invasion of Georgia by Russia, BUT, what you lemmings fail to realize is that McCain as equally shady relationships with ex KKK terrorist members who are now refored good guys serving their country in the Senate, religious zealots who think that Catholics will all burn in hell and corrupt financiers who are now languishing in prison. HELL, Sarah Palin and her husband have close ties to a group that want Alaska to seceed from the USA. McCain’s relationships with these people make him a Maverick, Palin’s relationships make her a Reformer, but Obama’s relationships call his judgement and patriotism into question? wow!

    3) And while on the subject of Sarah Palin. People like her…hell people LOVE her. I’ve hear that the is personable, she is one of them, she understands them, they can relate to her. NOT ONE PERSON says, her qualifications are impeccable and her intellectual acquity makes her qualified to lead. Nope, rather, and I quote: “I like her, she could knock on my door and we could have snacks together”. Well…we already had one o’ those. Good ole boy Bush…remember him? Eight years? Trillions of debt, millions dead, a response to a hurricane so pitiful that ETHIOPIA offered to give US aid!!! Well, those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

    4) AND YOU my friend, better keep your McCain support constraigned to your blog. You are NOT wanted, nor welcome in the Republican Party. Barrack Hussein Obama is on the verge of getting lynched by the Republican hate mongers and unless you plan on keeping your KKK hood on during the next Republican rally, the moment you take it off Sand Monkey, I would hazard a guess that the immediate silence of the crowd would signal your departure tied to the back of a pickup truck.

    And speaking of Mavericks. A man who dumped his wife because she got into a car accident. A man who got a marriage licence to Cindy while he was still married. A man who graduated 5th from the BOTTOM of his class. A man who the Vietcong affectionately named SONGBIRD MCCAIN. A man whose influential father and rich wife have handed him everything on a silver platter. A man who doesn’t know how many houses he has. A man who hasn’t been a Maverick since 2000. A man who would rather lose his digity than lose an election. A man who picks a VP because she is a woman but he disagrees with everything from drilling in ANWAR to abortion rights. A man who would label HIMSELF a maverick as he votes with Bush 4 out of 5 times. A man who can’t beat Obama intellectually so he must beat him with insults.

    I actually hope that McCain wins. You and your people have obviously not suffered enough at the hands of Bush that you require another 4 more years of seeing your people bombed back into the stone age to wake you from your ferverent stupidity.

    Good luck with that sport, I am sure that Mecca will make an excellent parking lot for our bombers.

  34. Adam B Says:

    33. Mike: I don’t recall Bush bombing Egypt… When did that happen?

  35. Valerie Says:

    Facts are stubborn things.

    How a Young Chicago Litigator Helped Create the Subprime Housing Crisis

  36. Valerie Says:

    Real stubborn.

  37. Valerie Says:

    Especially when people can pull out those old memories.

    The Republicans, especially the Wall Street Journal, were all over the problem of making toxic loans, and both George Bush and John McCain tried to head this problem off, to no avail, because the Democrats wouldn’t hear of it. Now we have a mess, which even President Clinton admits is rooted in the actions of the Democrats, and if we fail to contain it, we are going to take the rest of the world on a rough ride, too.

  38. San Jose Says:

    Valerie, pass me the Kool-aid.

  39. brooklynjon Says:

    Adam B.,

    We have public college that charge a reduced tuition, and we have private college that charge higher tuition. We have a system in place in which low income people who get admitted to a private college can get a combination of grants and loans to afford to go. And students who are very smart can get scholarships, as private colleges tend to want to attract bright students.

    What we don’t have is FREE college GUARANTEED TO EVERYBODY. We have college at a reasonable cost (certainly reasonable compared to both how much it costs to produce and how much it is generally worth), provided to a selected subset of young adults who might benefit from it. And the people who derive the benefits, once they have paying jobs, are expected to pay it back, at least in part.

    I’m not exactly sure what problem you have with this system. But whatever it is, guaranteeing a free education to everyone who manages to drag themselves out of high school is one sure way to make A) the expenses associated with that education mushroom and B) deflate the value of having a college degree to precisely the value of a high school diploma, and C) crank out more historians and literary analysts than can actually find employment in those fields. The good news? It will serve as a jobs program for leftist PhDs who otherwise can produce nothing of value to society, so they just replicate themselves.

    Two, The argument that medical school should be free is generally made by the same people who want to use that free education as a wedge to force me to accept getting paid as a government employee. Thank you, but no thank you.


  40. brooklynjon Says:

    Adam B.,

    “Mike: I don’t recall Bush bombing Egypt… When did that happen?”

    If it’s bad, Bush did it. Even if it’s bad but didn’t actually happen.

  41. Joe Says:

    Twosret: Congress and the senate could have said no and done nothing. Why would that be better than the bailout? Because it would have given the investors some confidence that we have some leadership. That we are done with the Bush administration crying wolf, and then taking actions that make the administrations friends richer and devastate not just citizens and taxpayers of the United States but people throughout the world. Bush got on TV the day after congress rejected the bailout the first time and said that the 700 point drop in the DOW the previous day was evidence that the investors in the market wanted the bailout – bullcrap. I am a scientist and it takes more that one data point to define a correlation. Since the Senate passed the bill that same market has dropped 3 times as much. Bush rattled off the justification of the bailout being that, without it, the banks would not lend anymore money and no one would be able to get a car loan, college loan, business loan, etc. If you are watching right now you can see that the banks won’t loan each other money even though the bailout was passed. So now, I cannot get a loan for my sons’ next year of college, their college savings funds have been devasted by the market crash but I will be tapped on the sholder come April 15 to hand over what little cash I have left so that it can be used to “save ” some realestate speculator who was hoping to retire early by rolling a $500,000 house. Sure “it will take time to implement.” No wonder everyone is jumping off the boat. This proves we are being steered by people who do not care about us. How much time was spent figuring out the bailout? One month? Two months? No. A couple of days. They rush to pass a piece of crap legistation so they can get to vacation or the campaign trail and then say we cannot expect it to work right away, the plan will take months to be implemented and start working. No kidding, so what was the rush? The markets are driven by perception and the investors are voting what they think of the bailout. The investors say we are riding on “a ship of fools.”

  42. leo Says:

    Mike T: “what you lemmings fail to realize”

    Just killed such a valuable post.

  43. Exquisitely Black Says:

    I only half-heartedly watched the debate, because I knew it would be more of the same. Heck, wasn’t the first just a couple weeks ago?

    I agree with you, the whole political process leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Sure, I’ll vote, but after the ugly battles and smear campaigns between the democrats and then the same crap with the nominees, I’m a bit fed up with all the negativity, too much focus on inconsequential things rather than the actual “how’s” of each candidates plan. In the end, it’s difficult to get excited, it seems we’ve been talking about the same issues: healthcare, education, economy, crime, etc, forever.

  44. Adam B Says:

    BJ, I don’t agree with you, and here’s why…

    My “problem” with the system is that I feel you loose a lot of potential – the wealth of a state is generally proportional to the level of education of it’s citizens, and failing to educate them as as high as possible is failing to realize their economical potential. Your system, as you explain it, selects the strongest individuals without taking into account the social situation of the kids and their families, and thereby overlook hidden potential.

    You mention a few effects of having a free education. Allow me to address them: A: No, expenses for a specific education will not mushroom. The overall expenses will go up, sure, but the price of educating a single student should actually go down as more people benefit from the same B: No, education is education, no matter how many have it. By your logic, the less educated the better, and that’s just ridiculous. Besides, if you’re really so focused on being better educated than most others, just take a PHD or something… C: No, free education does not equate limitless uptake in EVERY field of study. Besides the system generally being self-regulating, it’s easy to regulate the number of students in each field by adjusting the minimum grade neccesary for being accepted.

    Right, so you don’t like free health care because it means you might have to take a cut in your wage? I’m sure the poor fellow dying in the street will agree with you, and I’m sure you’ll be happy when he knifes you down to steal your money so he can afford the medical bills…

  45. Becky Says:

    I haven’t read everything, but #4, that was hilarious:) What’s a kabob stand?

  46. Becky Says:

    Yeah, some people just never shut up. I was watching the news the other night, and was thinking how much american journalists talk. Then, I kid you not, a breaking news report came on from Britain. Holy cow, those people REALLY don’t shut up. Supposedly they were speaking English, but I couldn’t understand a word they were saying! They talk so fast with such a thick accent, I had to change the channel since it was so stressful..I’m not sure they even stopped to breathe. Interesting to feel what it must be like to visit a foreign country :)
    So, these Egyptians that are yelling from the kabob stands? Are people buying their stuff? Maybe they feel sorry for Americans, so they are giving us entertainment with our food?

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  48. Mark Says:

    A whole lot of provocative crap again from your side! Your either blind or stupid or both to even be for McCain! You want more of the same ehh! Your obviously interested in a further destabilization of the middle east and a guy who uses force before talking! And cut the crap about fiscal responsibility of the Reps. The National debt increased by 300% under Reagan (Voodoo supply side economics which is absically lowering taxes for the rich). Increased another 120% under Bush I . Then the curve flattened considerably under Clinton and the debt increased 25% (only)in 8 years and we saw the last budget suprplusses! Under Bush !! spending and debt both increased more than 100% again. At the same time GDP increased 20,5% in 8 years. Debt of private households increased almost 200% and financial debt of corporations some 90%. The result we see now. The world on the Brink of a total collapse of the financial system, finacial assets melting like snow in the spring sun.

    So get the facts first, before you just talk b.s. or moose poop!

  49. Mark Says:

    US Governement Debt

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  51. Moose Says:

    THIS is what saddens me. Lack of congenial discussion. Few presenting opininons without attacking. The ranting and the frothing at the mouth get old.

    Watching Senator McCain attempt to reassure people that Senator Obama was not the boogie man reminded me of why I respect the man. It is why I suspect that we will be in better hands, no matter who wins. They know each other and, although they disagree on many things, I suspect that privately they discuss those differences like adults.

    There are sound bites that have been derived from their governmental and personal relationships that have been pounded on the on the anvil of indifference and forged by the heat of hate and presented as fact from both sides. These ‘facts’ are being echoed by citizens of every country across the globe, not for the purpose of educating, but to attempt to influence by rhetoric with the hopes of being on the ‘winning’ side. And, it’s not a problem attached to the political machines of the US.

    I can’t truly say who would be better at this thankless task although I know who will receive my vote. I do believe that whomever is elected, considering the tasks facing them will, at the end of their term, be despised by a majority of the people the US and probably the world because of tough choices they will be forced to make and they will not be elected to a second term. The idea that either of these men are willing to take on this task, while speaking to their egos, also says something about their character.

    Unfortunately this election as many in the recent past, will not be decided by the issues we face nor the character of the two candidates, but by rumor and innuendo, lies and omissions, slants and spins and life will continue on with people hating and dying for a lesser dream than we all deserve.

    This is what saddens me.

  52. brooklynjon Says:

    Adam B.,

    I don’t like free health care because it causes people to behave irrationally, and hence irresponsibly, with their health. In life, you pay your money and take your chances. I want people to do what they want, and bear the consequences of their choices.

    Me not having free health care means that you won’t be paying for it, just like you not having free health care means that I won’t be paying for it. It also means that we both won’t be paying for hoards of administrators who interject themselves into the doctor-patient relationship in the interest of making sure that there’s some rationality in the economic decision making.

    Does it mean that people will die in the street? Um, not really. It means that people will allocate their resources the way they see fit. You want a nice vacation and a nice car? Great! I’ll take the savings account ready for a medical problem. Oh you spent all your money on the vacation and the car, and now you can’t afford that appendectomy? I’m sorry, but I didn’t go without, just so that you could live a lifestyle of opulence without consequences. Is that harsh? maybe. too bad.


  53. brooklynjon Says:

    Which brings to mind the recurrent misuse of the word “free” by those who approve of the statist approach to governance. It is not free. Free means no one has to pay. Breathing is free. Walking is free. The love that I give my children is free. No one, and I mean NO ONE, has to pay for it.

    “Free” health care, and “free” college are not really free. They are paid for by people who may or not want to pay for it, but it doesn’t matter because the state is going to confiscate their hard-earned money on pain of violence or imprisonment, and use that money to pay for the “free” things. Last I checked, that wasn’t free. That’s confiscation. Now, people may agree to such confiscation – people all generally agree that there must be police, firefighters, courts, an army. And this was agreed to long before we were born, and we were born into that system. However, new “entitlements” (= things you aren’t really “entitled” to, but are going to insist on, and force someone else to pay) crop up all the time. It is a tyranny of the majority, and it’s nothing short of legalized theft, in my humble opinion.

    So no, Adam B, I do not support “free” health care in the sense that I do not support confiscating forcibly from people that which they do not want to relinquish. On the other hand, as a physician, I provide free or reduced fee care to poor people all the time, on a daily basis. When I voluntarily give someone “free” care, it really is free. I don’t confiscate anything from anyone. It’s a whole lot better that way. I actually wind up feeling good, rather than feeling abused.


  54. twosret Says:


    Thanks for your post but why do you think if the bailout didn’t go through things will be better? my understanding is that it will take time for the bailout to remedy the market and we won’t see immediate results.

    I totally agree that we shouldn’t be paying for those financial instution’s mistakes but from what I understand that it is way too risky to sit and wait. I agree with you of how this whole thing is mismanaged and it goes to show how the Gov. has no clue about the relgulations and doesn’t even care about consumers.


    1- Current insurance companies are sticking their nose in the patient-doctor relationship.

    2- Average Americans shouldn’t go bankrupt and sell their homes so they can afford their cancer treatements or heart surgeries.

    3- It pays off for the most powerful country in the world to provide decent free or affordable education to the future of it’s kids and keep them healthy.

    4- I don’t want to pay for the war I would rather spend this money on education and health care system. My neighbor doesn’t want to pay for education as she is a single woman and doesn’t have children. We all can disagree on what we want to spend or not spend on with our tax money but the basic need for the American people should be met and they don’t have to suffer to have decent health insurance.

    A single payer system might not be the ideal solution but the current situation of the health care system that doesn’t do good to anyone but the insurance companies and corporate America is the real abuse to the American people.

    In reality insurance companies are the ones who are confiscating and steeling everyones money.

  55. twosret Says:

    One of the most laughable posts above I read was about Obama being responsible for the financial crisis because of his ties to ACORN.

    Aren’t you the same people who said that Obama knows nothing and he has no experience? now Obama is responsible for the financial crisis WOW he must be a very powerful experienced man lol.

  56. twosret Says:


    Your post sounds so distasteful what happened to you? and yeah get out of the mid west and get used to some world accents woman lol

    Adam B,

    right on!

  57. Twosret Says:

    And for those up there who calls Obama a liar all the time here is McCain lying 17 times in one debate:-

    From the Obama campaign:


    1. MCCAIN PROPOSING NEW HOUSING PLAN. McCain today said he had a new plan to allow the Treasury to purchase and restructure mortgages. The truth is that this is not a new proposal and is already part of the rescue plan that was signed into law. It was Obama, not McCain who called for this move two weeks ago.

    2. MCCAIN TAX PLAN IS BETTER. McCain said, “It is my proposal not Senator Obama’s” that will “take care of working families.” The reality is that even the Heritage Foundation agrees Obama will provide a middle class tax cut that studies have found is three times larger than under McCain’s plan. In contrast, the McCain plan’s benefits would overwhelmingly go to the wealthiest Americans and would leave out 101 million middle class households.

    3. MCCAIN’S PLAN FOR HOUSING CRISIS. McCain said, “We have got to give some trust and confidence back to America” to solve the housing crisis. But Politifact agrees that McCain was taken by surprise by the mortgage crisis and was “a latecomer” to the debate. He even said “I don’t claim to be smart enough” to solve the housing crisis and newspapers have found that McCain “overstates” his past actions on housing regulation.

    4. TIES TO FANNIE/FREDDIE. McCain talked about “Senator Obama and his cronies and friends in Washington” and blamed them for Fannie and Freddie, while news accounts have pointed out his “deeper” ties to the companies. His campaign manager Rick Davis fought against greater regulation for years, and then his firm was revealed to be taking $15,000 a month until this summer from Freddie Mac, after denying any recent ties.

    5. MCCAIN WILL MAKE HEALTH CARE AFFORDABLE AND AVAILABLE. McCain said “We can do them all at once,” talking about affordability and availability of health care, but he failed to mention that experts say his plan may require some to pay more or get less coverage, that millions would lose their employer-based coverage, and that even he has admitted that his plan will raise taxes on some.

    6. SMALL BUSINESS TAXES. McCain said Obama’s plan “will increase taxes on 50% of small business revenue,” when the Washington Post found similar attacks “untrue,” and studies show 97% of small business owners wouldn’t see higher taxes under Obama’s plan. said the attack used “a false and preposterously inflated figure.”

    7. TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY. McCain said “I am not in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy.” While he once said that the Bush tax cuts were “too tilted to the wealthy,” now he wants to make them permanent.

    8. 2005 ENERGY BILL. McCain attacked Obama for his vote for the 2005 energy bill, saying it had “billions for oil companies.” The truth is that called this “an old canard” and a “false attack.” The non-partisan Congressional Research Service said the bill actually raised taxes on the oil and gas industry.

    9. 94 VOTES FOR HIGHER TAXES…AGAIN. McCain once again repeated the attack that Obama voted 94 times for higher taxes, calling it “his record.” This attack has been debunked by the Associated Press, the Cleveland Plain Dealer, CNN, the New York Times and, among others.

    10. OBAMA RECORD ON NUCLEAR POWER. McCain said, “Obama is opposed to that,” when the reality is that this attack is “false” according to Obama supports nuclear as long as it’s “clean and safe.”

    11. HEALTH COVERAGE FOR PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. McCain said his health care plan would let people cross state lines to get plans, suggesting it would improve care and not telling Americans that it would weaken patient protections and does nothing to require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. McCain’s plan would create a situation the GOP chair of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners said would cause a “race to the bottom.”

    12. HIGHER HEALTH CARE COSTS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. McCain attacked Obama’s health care plan, suggesting that Obama will fine small businesses and make health care more expensive for them. ABC pointed out that he was “omitting key details about Obama’s plan to mitigate costs” for health care for small businesses. McCain also omitted his record of voting repeatedly against tax credits for small businesses to help with health care costs and that the majority of members of the National Federation of Independent Businesses oppose his plan.

    13. JUDGMENT ON IRAQ. McCain said that he had “the judgment” to make national security decisions, ignoring his record of misguided statements during the course of the Iraq war. In 2005 he said the war would be over within 18 months. In 2003 he said “we will be welcomed as liberators,” and that “we will win it easily.”

    14. RUSSIA AND GEORGIA. McCain said Obama “was wrong about Russia when they committed aggression against Georgia” when Obama had condemned Russia’s actions and called for an immediate ceasefire.

    15. SURGE IN IRAQ. McCain again attacked Obama on the surge, when news accounts show that Obama “said at the time” that the increase “could improve security in certain neighborhoods but that it would not solve the long-term political strife.” Meanwhile McCain said only 10,000 troops would do the job.

    16. NEGOTIATIONS. McCain attacked Obama on diplomatic engagement, but the Washington Post has said McCain is “distorting history when he suggests that Barack Obama is bucking American presidential tradition in expressing a willingness to meet with the leaders of countries hostile to the United States” and that McCain is “incorrect.”

    17. SOMALIA. McCain held up Somalia as an example of failed American foreign policy, saying “we ended up having to withdraw in humiliation.” McCain ignored the amendment he introduced in 1993 to cut off funding for troops in Somalia.

  58. Valerie Says:

    The Obama Campaign, those people with the fraudulent document on their “Fight the Smears” website?

    Naivete is not cute in an adult.

  59. Becky Says:

    What’s a kabob stand? I’m serious! Like shish kabob? Do they sell meat and vegetables on a skewer? Do they have a grill and all that? Like at a carnival or something? With wheels and an umbrella like a hotdog stand? We just have ten zillion BK drive throughs.
    Hey, I wonder what happened to scumwithtenthousandnames?

  60. Becky Says:

    I wonder if these Egyptians he is talking about are yelling in Arabic..that would even be funnier :)

  61. leo Says:


    As I saw in NYC, it’s a cart with built-in grill.
    Obviously kebabs are already made and all the is left just to fry ‘em.
    If I am not mistaking kebabs are server on wooden skewer.
    I never tried those kebabs myself. Cannot say how good they are. Smell is luring though.

  62. Becky Says:

    Oh no. We don’t let people retire anymore :)
    90 is the new 30. You are just going to have to tough it up and push yourself around with a little walker for ten hours a day :) No more slacking old people!

  63. leo Says:

    ‘the’ = ‘there’
    ‘server’ = ‘served’

  64. Twosret Says:


    fry kebabos wow google is a friendly tool use it lol

  65. Twosret Says:


    Oh but wait McCain attended meetings of ACORN March 2006


  66. Twosret Says:

    Did you read what the Chief of ACORN is saying Valerie they are saddened that McCain is abandoning his HISTORIC SUPPORT of ACORN.


  67. Becky Says:

    Well, Google doesn’t say why people who sell kebabas are Egyptian.

  68. Becky Says:

    thankyou. That was interesting
    Maybe they fry them in butter in a skillet ontop of the grill :)

  69. Twosret Says:


    this is the kind of party you support isn’t it?

    Is that the kind of America you want? does the monkey idea look cute to you?

    or do you shout “Kill him” “treason” when you rally

  70. Twosret Says:


    and what is so funny about arab speaking vendors? you don’t want me to go Arabic on you do you? :-)

  71. leo Says:

    Becky @ 68,

    I doubt oil or butter is used at all. Most likely meat is BBQ-ed but I do not know.
    I prefer shashlick made by myself or one of my friends.

    Twosret @ 64

    “fry kebabos wow google is a friendly tool use it lol”

    I do not think I understand your point. Are kebabs boiled or baked?

  72. Twosret Says:

    feenak ya Mohamed temsek lessani a’bal mabtadi be Omek lol

  73. Twosret Says:


    Kebabs are grilled. Never boiled and never fried :-)

  74. Twosret Says:

    kebabs are not marinated over night in wine or vinegar like Shashlik, it is seasoned with onion juice salt and pepper and grilled on skewers.

  75. Becky Says:

    Go ahead, I’m not really listening anyway..although, your links are interesting.
    I’m still focused on #4 comment. I happen to think that person is not for real, but who knows?

  76. leo Says:


    I’d say grilled (specific term) is fried (generic term) on a grill. And I am not even sure kebabs are grilled necessarily. Sometime one might use skewer and open flame instead. Harly a grill.

    Yes, shashlik is marinated and kebab is seasoned. And that is why first, kebab is easier and quicker to prepare and second, kebab always tastes the same more or less. Shashlik on the other hand is much more of a signature piece. You can always try fixing taste of kebab with salt and pepper. If you screwed up with shashlik, however, its a goner.

  77. brooklynjon Says:


    I agree that the influence of insurance companies on health care has been negative. I don’t see how enlarging their influence, or creating a government sponsored one would be an improvement.

    The essential problem is that when the person paying for a service is not the one consuming it, it creates a situation in which irrational choices are made. Hey, MRI’s are free? I’ll take two!

    So then what you need is someone else representing the payer to try to make sure that the consumption is sensible. Of course, this generates a ton of additional paperwork, and creates the need for armies of people on both sides of the equation to negotiate payment, and to determine what treatments are allowable. It doesn’t actually matter who is doing the paying, so long as its not the person consuming the service, and the result is the same.

    The essential problem is that health insurance has morphed from real insurance (mitigating against catastrophe) to a third party payment system. This has caused health care costs to balloon, and is ultimately the reason why someone might actually have to sell their house to afford an operation.

    Universal health care insurance is the exact opposite of the solution. The solution is to rid the tax code of the provisions encouraging business to pay their employees in insurance rather than in cash. Then allow people to spend the cash or save it as they see fit. As for all the claims adjusters and coding people who get put out of a job, they could be trained to grill kabobs.


  78. Valerie Says:

    Howard Stern Conducts an Experiment

    Actually, I would call it a push-poll.

  79. Becky Says:

    Interesting! I shall google that. :)
    However, I think fried is a specific term and cooked is a general term?
    That still doesn’t answer the question why Egyptians sell kabobs?

    back to my point,
    I’m guessing some (not all) of the people talking/yelling on the links up there #69 are serious.
    Kinda scary actually.
    But what I am trying to say (sigh..unsuccesfully) is if those same, serious people printed all of that hate here, I would think it was some illogical, zany, insane jokester and laugh at them.

  80. Becky Says:

    what if someone out of nowhere started writing stuff like:

  81. Twosret Says:


    You are a Howard Stern listener. LOL!

  82. Twosret Says:

    “I would think it was some illogical, zany, insane jokester and laugh at them.”

    Becky ummmm nope I don’t think that shouting “kill him” or pointing at someone neck and do the sign or slitting throats is funny. I also don’t think that a rape victim should die.

    This is criminal and those people crossed the line of racism and hate and I believe they should be reported to authorities.

    You see here in America threatening to kill someone is illegal.

  83. Twosret Says:

    What is even more scary that I lived in Pennsylvania among this kind of crowds and being Arab-American living in Texas is even worse. I wonder when someone is going to slit my throat or shout “kill her”.

  84. brooklynjon Says:


    “laughable posts”? You’re better than that!

    Community organizations like ACORN applied pressure to banks to relax their lending standards for mortgage applicants.

    Sen. Obama was, for several years, a community organizer who worked with ACORN, and was, in part, responsible for exactly this sort of activism.

    Was Obama solely responsible? Of course not! But the policies that he manifestly supported were, and are, substantially responsible for the disaster that is our financial system. Has he admitted error? Has he admitted responsibility?

    And yes, Sen. McCain did support ACORN’s immigration agenda. I am unaware that he supported ACORN in any of their other activities, but I’m open to be shown otherwise.

    But, importantly, why does any of this matter? Here’s why.

    Biden and McCain have a long legislative history, from which it is possible to see fairly clearly what their positions would be on various issues.

    Obama does not. In his four years in the Senate, he has done very little of substance. Largely, he has been a Presidential candidate. So it is important to look where you can for evidence for where he stands. That evidence comes mostly in the organizations and the people with whom he has associated. It matters for the other people in the race, but for Obama, it matters more, because that’s all we have. That, and a really good keynote speech at the 2004 Convention.


  85. Twosret Says:

    and of course no one will call those people on the video TERRORISTS. It is copyright for Arabs and specifically muslims.

    Sorry for multiple posts but that is the only way I can multi task and get work done.

  86. Twosret Says:


    I have no reason to not believe what Obama wrote on his site. I would like to see an evidence a legal evidence to prove this page wrong not Little Green Football.

  87. Twosret Says:

    FYI Laughable post comment was in regards of someone up there who put blame on Obama for the financial crisis which I think is totally ridiculous

  88. leo Says:


    What is even more scary that I lived in Pennsylvania among this kind of crowds and being Arab-American living in Texas is even worse. I wonder when someone is going to slit my throat or shout “kill her”.

    I am not an Arab so I may not be as sensitive to this issue but just for the sake argument if you could give and example of the case when Arab was killed in US for being an Arab. Or Muslim for being a Muslim.

  89. Twosret Says:

    Sure leo here is I think 8 examples you see that Coptic Christian in CA.

    “Balbir Singh Sodhi was gunned down on Sept. 15, 2001 in Mesa, Arizona. The turban-wearing Sikh was killed outside his gas station. Sodhi’s killer spent the hours before the murder in a bar, bragging of his intention to “kill the ragheads responsible for September 11.” He has been convicted and sits on death row.

    Waqar Hasan of Dallas, Texas was also murdered on Sept. 15, 2001. The 46-year-old Pakistani, was shot to death in a convenience store he owned. Hasan was murdered by Mark Stroman, who was convicted of also murdering Vasudev Patel days later in nearby Mesquite, Texas.

    Cordell noted that Stroman admitted to authorities to blinding a third victim, a Bangladeshi, in between the murders of Hasan and Patel. After his arrest Stroman bragged, “I did what every American wanted to do after Sept. 11th but didn’t have the nerve.”

    Cordell says the Sodhi, Hasan and Patel cases are indisputable examples of having links to Sept. 11 related hate backlash. Yet, none of the three families have received any compensation from any of the September 11th funds.

    “There are certainly others that likely fall into this category,” Cordell said.

    Other probable Sept. 11 linked hate backlash victims include:

    Adel Karas, 48, a grocer from Egypt and a Coptic Christian, who was killed Sept. 15, 2001 in his San Gabriel, California store.

    Another victim was Ali Almansoop, an American citizen and father of four. He was murdered six days later on Sept. 21, 2001 at his Detroit, Michigan home. Almansoop was a Yemen native. Prosecutors charged a Garden City man with first-degree murder in his shooting death. Allegedly, Almansoop was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, although the killer reportedly claimed he was glad he shot him because of Sept. 11.

    Jawed Wassel of Queens, New York was an Afghani American (according to a friend of the family). Wassel had just finished producing a film about Iraq when he got into a dispute with one of his film’s investors. The investor was later charged with decapitating Wassel and chopping up his body in the days after Sept. 11.”

  90. tedders Says:

    Tragedies, no doubt. What we as Americans can be proud of are these statements of justice.

    He has been convicted and sits on death row.

    Hasan was murdered by Mark Stroman, who was convicted of also murdering Vasudev Patel days later in nearby Mesquite, Texas.

    Prosecutors charged a Garden City man with first-degree murder in his shooting death.

  91. leo Says:


    Thank you. I never heard of those cases. I am glad murderers got what they deserve.
    Still, do you really think your life is that dangerous: “I wonder when someone is going to slit my throat or shout “kill her”.”?

    Ironically, if you believe so you are like a Jew living in Christian or Muslim country. It used to be norm in the past, today it is still norm in some countries.

  92. Becky Says:


  93. النمس Says:

    Hey all,
    I was meaning to write about this sooner, but didn’t have time to get online…also skimmed the above posts, so apologies if this was already mentioned. Though I did enjoy the debate on the differences between Middle Eastern food :) By the way, I have had some of the best ta3maya in my life in the US…must better than any I’ve ever had over here…shocking. Ok, anyway, as I was saying…

    First, I would like to commend McCain for sticking up for Obama, at least to a point, in those rallies, even though it drew him boos. However, I wish he had gone further, and asked the important question, “So what if he was Arab or Muslim?” Well, in addition to calling for people to stop their threats of violence. (Can’t the Secret Service review video?) Violence has no place in our political system, and I am dismayed at the effect that that and fear are having among some of McCain’s supporters, and taken aback that he has not done more to stop that problem. All it is doing is leading to a more polarised nation, which is not what America needs, and it is creating more fear and hate on top of that which already exists.

    Is it really that big of a deal in the US if a candidate were Arab or Muslim? What if they were Coptic? I just can’t grasp that people do not understand the difference between a radical and someone who understands their religion, and hence practices it peacefully and is not a bother to anyone.

    I don’t have many Americans to talk to about this over here, but the other day I asked my friend, an Assyrian Christian, about his opinions. He went on this diatribe that the goal of Islam is to kill all non-believers, and then continued that a Muslim president would not be permitted to make decisions on his own, but would be forced to submit everything to the religious council. I tried to argue with him, but it was no use. Unfortunately, it appears that similar beliefs are quite common here, as are equally distorted beliefs from the other side (though I hesitate to use that term). At least I was able to teach him about Kennedy and the fears that he would be controlled by the Vatican, to which he was shocked. Are thoughts like this common in the US at present? Not that I am accusing anyone here of harbouring such thoughts, but I am just curious.

    Anyway, apologies for the meandering post, but just wanted to make that comment, and see if anyone had a reasoned opinion. Thanks :)

    Oh yeah, and this talk of free education… I am sitting here waiting on my student loan bailout from the government. It sure would be nice to have after 10 years of university and grad schools. :)


  94. Becky Says:

    I’m sorry. I have been insensitive.
    Hmm. I think this blog is generally humorous, and the people here seem somewhat would be out of character to read insanely odd remarks.
    Some things are just too unbelievable, and add that to the internet…

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  96. Becky Says:

    I guess that an analogy would be a toddler having a temper tantrum.
    My little nephew flipped out the other day because he couldn’t have his brothers toy. He SCREAMED, dramatically threw himself on the ground and pulled up the grass and threw it madly at no one. This actually went on for quite awhile.
    My sister and I could not stop laughing..of course he just became more angry, but eventually he stopped because he was so disgusted with us

  97. leo Says:

    “First, I would like to commend McCain for sticking up for Obama, at least to a point, in those rallies, even though it drew him boos. However, I wish he had gone further”

    Some people never happy. McCain went much farther than Obama did in similar situation and on more than one occasion. Try being evenhanded.

    “Is it really that big of a deal in the US if a candidate were Arab or Muslim?”

    Can I trust you not to proclaim US a part of Umma? OK, jokes aside.

    It is not time for Muslim to become POTUS just yet. Not until Islamic extremism is no longer part of everybody’s agenda.
    Reasons are few, emotional and practical.
    Emotional – 9/11 is too fresh in memory and people are generally lazy thinkers.
    Practical – fear it may be viewed by Islamic extremists as sign of encouragement.

    Relax and be patient. You are not even next in line.

  98. النمس Says:

    Leo, thanks for your response. I appreciate it.

  99. Twosret Says:


    In general I’m not easy to scare but something about that video makes me worry for my family’s safety. So, the answer is yes I am concerned to be a victim of such hate.

    El Nems,

    wait till we start talking Molokhia and Mahshi here you will be happy lol but if you vote for McCain no food from mama Twosret for you :-)

  100. Twosret Says:


  101. Twosret Says:


    I was one of the early posters here on SM and in general we do joke around and fight too :-) I an see how you would think these people are ridiculous and usually I ignore ignorant people but this video got me.

    It is hard in the virtual world to understand what you mean without facial expressions but I was surely hoping you were not making fun of Arabic speaking people.

    Sorry to hear about your nephew’s temper tantrum.

    Adam B,

    After reading your posts again I realized that I missed this part

    “Right, so you don’t like free health care because it means you might have to take a cut in your wage? I’m sure the poor fellow dying in the street will agree with you, and I’m sure you’ll be happy when he knifes you down to steal your money so he can afford the medical bills…”

    Eventhough I agree with your views about health care and education I find this statement really terrible.

  102. tedders Says:



    I never get to be 100 anymore!!

    “Sorry to hear about your nephew’s temper tantrum.”

    When my two boys tried something like that we would laugh so hard and loudly it would make them even madder up to a point when they couldn’t help but start laughing to!! That’s when we would all have a group hug and some ice cream! Temper tantrums haven’t been a problem since!! :) We still keep ice cream in the fridge just in case though!!

    By the way, there is free health care here in the US. Mexican nationals come here to have their children, medical procedures …. then leave and never pay the bill. Check out the tab they run up at John Peter Smith in Fort Worth or Parkland Hospital in Dallas.

    There is currently FREE medical care in the US. At least in the sense that the recipients of the care never pay for it, you and I, the paying patients, well that’s another matter.

  103. twosret Says:

    I just love this man lol

  104. Karen Says:

    Yeah, I hear that at some public hospitals in Texas, there isn’t enough $$ to treat Americans with cancer because all of the $$ is spent on illegal Mexicans. Something is wrong with that.

  105. النمس Says:

    I can’t wait for the molokhayia! Yummy. And don’t worry, I may not even be able to vote at all, as I have yet to receive my absentee ballot. Oh well. I need to call someone at the embassy and see what, if anything, I am able to do at this point. Voting is important, but, um, yeah, I am not driving down to Baghdad to pick up my provisional ballot, lol. But if I am able to vote…I guess you get to start making some food :) Thanks!.


  106. leo Says:

    النمس ,

    Never mind the elections. “Take from the reach and give to the poor” crap will not fly anyway. People’s wisdom will prevail.

    If I may ask. What region of Iraq are you in? Sunni, Shia, Kurdish, orther …?
    Are all Iraqis taking over the country in the way Kurds and Anwari did or some still are sitting and doing nothing? I heard US/NATO military no longer participates in active operations but mostly serves as backup. How true is it?

    Are you allowed to vote in Iraqi elections? And if you are, how open are you to the possibility of voting on merit (if it can be recognized) rather than for sectarian reasons (is this the safest bet)? Are there leaders in Iraq who are trusted by multiple sects?

    Thank you

  107. Jack Says:

    but in other exciting news:

    Canada has a minority conservative government again! Albeit a stronger one.

    And I`m guessing the average joe in the US had no idea we were elected did they?

  108. النمس Says:

    I am up in the Kurdish Region. But as I am not a citizen, I am not permitted to participate in the Iraqi elections. As such, I unfortunately cannot really answer your questions about Iraqi leaders, as I am not that well-informed regarding pubic perception and opinions, at least no more so than the average foreigner over here.

    As for the US military presence in the Kurdish region, it is extremely minimal. There are not, at least to my knowledge, more than a handful of troops up here. I see a few Blackhawks almost daily now, but I am not sure what purpose they serve. There are around 500-600 South Korean troops still in the Region, but that contingent is due to leave by the end of the year.

    The government and security forces up here do a great job, and there really is no need for the US troops, other than if called in for back up if there truly is a huge emergency. The last major terrorist act up here was in May of 2007 I believe. (And if there has been something else, they do a great job of covering it up.) I feel that the Peshmerga and the government realise that all it takes for the investment and development to come to a standstill is a few more attacks like that, and they strive to prevent another one from happening. So much of what differentiates the Kurdish Region from the rest of Iraq, at least at present, is security. (This is not to minimise other factors, as there are many.) Were it not for the security and relative sense of stability, it would not matter how lucrative the investment law or tax incentives were, companies would not be moving to the Region in the numbers that they are.

    Also, the military up here needed to be strong to prevent and potentially repel threats from all sides, so they did what they deemed necessary for their survival. There was already a strong function system in place, and they were able to build on that, unlike in Iraq, where the army was disbanded. Then again, who is to say that most of the Iraqi army had training, skills, and allegiance to their superiours that the Peshmerga had, and that, had they not been disbanded, they would be maintaining order now. (I guess a comparison of the armies and a debate over the decision to disband the Iraqi army is for another time and place.)

    One thing to keep in mind when comparing the Kurdistan Region to the rest of Iraq is that for all intents and purposes, it had a 10-yr head start. After the first Gulf War, with the installation of the no-fly zones, there was at least a sort of security blanket for the region. Granted, there were still problems and atrocities, and Saddam was still a threat, and there was a conflict between the two major parties in the Region, PUK and the KDP, but the people here at least had a shot at semi-autonomous rule of which they were able to take advantage, and from which they were able to make their mistakes and learn and grow from them. They are still in that process, but I feel that given more time, they will succeed.

    Also, I think that the situation here can be viewed in parallel to that of the rest of Iraq, and that Iraq is taking baby steps through these states through which the Kurdish Region has already been. I hope that Iraq succeeds in doing so. However, I do not believe that it will happen as quickly as it did up in the North, regardless of the foreign troop presence. In my opinion, the main reasons for this are the diversity of the peoples in the South, both in regards to religion and ethnicity, and the fact that the people are not united around a central cause like they were in the North. Yes, there are a plethora of religions and ethnicities in the North, but those differences were able to be put aside, at least somewhat, even after bloody civil wars, to achieve their goal of semi-autonomous rule. I think that the longtime dream of a Kurdish homeland played a part in this taking place so quickly, and that some uniting force similar to that is missing in the rest of the country. Whether some casue will unite the people, or whether they can rise up without such a cause remains to be seen.

    It is also possible that I am completely wrong, and I just want to clarify that all of this is just my personal opinion. :)

    I hope that at least answered some of what you were asking.


  109. Becky Says:

    I am surprised by people everyday.
    Just to clarify, I’m really making fun of myself because I never know what is going on. Arabic just adds another dimension to this paralell universe of the net. Who would have ever thought we would be able to chat with people from all over the world!! If it makes you feel any better, I live in a metropolitan area, but have had people sincerely ask if we had running water.
    I also had someone tell me they have an image of people in my area running barefoot through the cornfields. I mean, didn’t anyone see “Little House on the Prairie”? People don’t realize that shoes were invented a long time ago.
    Maybe I shall wear my hair in braids today

    Yay! Tonight is the final political debate! What really surprises me is how many people all over the world are focused on this election. THAT is what’s scary.

  110. tedders Says:

    Does anyone remember the kid’s game “mousetrap”?

  111. Becky Says:

    YAY!!!! NUMBER 111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WooooooHoooooo!! Yipee!!!

    Now I am making fun of Tedders

  112. tedders Says:

    “Now I am making fun of Tedders”

    Fun of, or fun with? ;-)

  113. leo Says:


    Thank you very much for taking time and answering my questions.

    It is pretty much how I thought life is in Kurdistan.

    Thank you again.

  114. gaya Says:

    جوانان ایران به جهانیان فریاد می زنند که:
    اسلام یک دین اهریمنی است.
    ما فهمیده ایم که محمد رسول الله یک دین اهریمنی و یک فرهنگ اهریمنی خلق کرده و مادر و دخترانش فاحشه بوده.
    اکنون محمد رسول الله در جهنم است.
    Iranian young people shout to all world peoples: Islam is a Satanic religion.We understand, “Mohammed messenger of Allah” has created a satanic religion and he has created a savagery culture .his mother was prostitute, and his girl was prostitute. Now “Mohammed messenger of Allah” is in the Hell.
    صيحه الشباب الإيراني إلى جميع شعوب العالم : الاسلام هو الدين شيطانيه. ونحن نفهم ØŒ “محمد رسول الله” قد اوجد شيطانيه الدين وقال انه قد أوجد ثقافة وحشية. والدته كانت عاهره ØŒ وكان له فتاة عاهره. الان “محمد رسول الله” هو في الجحيم.
    Ирански младежи Да за всички народи светът: Ислямът е религия сатанински. Ние разбираме, “Мохамед месинджър на Аллах” е създала в сатанински религия, а той е създал savagery култура. майка му е била проститутка, а момичето си е проститутка. Сега “Мохамед месинджър на Аллах” е в ада.
    Translation: English » Chinese
    伊朗的年轻人喊向所有世界人民:伊斯兰是一个撒旦的宗教。 据我们了解, “穆罕默德真主使者”创造了撒旦的宗教和他创造了一个野蛮的文化。 他的母亲是妓女,和他的女童被妓女。 现在“穆罕默德真主使者”是在地狱。
    Translation: English » Chinese (Traditional)
    伊朗的年輕人喊向所有世界人民:伊斯蘭是一個撒旦的宗教。 據我們了解, “穆罕默德真主使者”創造了撒旦的宗教和他創造了一個野蠻的文化。 他的母親是妓女,和他的女童被妓女。 現在“穆罕默德真主使者”是在地獄。
    Translation: English » Croatian
    Iranska mladih ljudi vikati na svim narodima svijeta: Islam je religija Satanic. Razumijemo, “Mohammed glasnik Allah” je stvorio satanic religije i on je stvorio savagery kulture. njegova majka bila prostitutka, i njegova djevojka je bila prostitutka. Sada “Mohammed glasnik Allah” je u Hell.

    Translation: English » Czech

    Íránský mladé lidi kÅ™ičet, aby vÅ¡echny národy svÄ›ta: Islám je Satanské náboženství. Chápeme, “Mohammed posel Allah” vytvoÅ™ila ďábelský náboženství a on vytvoÅ™il divokost kultury. Jeho matka byla prostitutka, a jeho dívka byla prostitutka. Nyní “Mohammed posel Alláh” je v pekle.

    Translation: English » Danish

    Iranske unge rÃ¥be til alle verdens folkeslag: Islam er en Sataniske religion. Vi kan forstÃ¥, “Mohammed budbringer af Allah” har lavet en sataniske religion, og han har skabt en grusomhed kultur. hans mor var prostitueret, og hans pige var prostitueret. Now “Mohammed budbringer af Allah” er i Helvede.

    Translation: English » Dutch

    Iraanse jongeren schreeuwen om alle volkeren ter wereld: de islam is een religie Satanic. We begrijpen, “Mohammed boodschapper van Allah” heeft een satanische religie en hij heeft een barbarij cultuur. zijn moeder was prostituee, en zijn meisje was prostituee. Nu “Mohammed boodschapper van Allah” is in de hel

    this is posted from Iran

  115. tedders Says:


    The second site has hardcore pornographic images.

  116. Joanne Says:

    I think McCain actually was a clear winner of this debate, but who cares…. the American voting public needs to increase their IQ by at least 30 points each before election day or all will be lost to Obama the socialist.

  117. leo Says:


    Are you taking sabbatical until after Nov, 4th?

  118. Twosret Says:

    Really Joane,

    You are insulting the hard working Americans by being stupid just because they make a choice that you disagree with?

    How democratic and free of you! this is why YOU pick McCain and Joe the plumber who is not even a plumber!

  119. tedders Says:

    “who is not even a plumber!”

    He’s a plumber, he’s just not a licensed plumber! In the great state of Texas there’s no license or test to be a general contractor (the guy who builds the whole building). As for me, I’m a structural steel fabricator and erector (I make and put up the steel structure for commercial buildings) and don’t have any requirements, license, trade fees or anything to show what I’ve been doing, professionally for over 22 years now. No license here, does that mean I’m not a steel fabricator/erector? Don’t think so!

  120. charlie 316 Says:

    #89 Are you saying that Mr Sodhi, who was stated to be a Sikh and almost certainly was with a name like that, was murdered because some drunk couldn’t tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim, or just didn’t care. It is bad enough killing someone just for being a co-religionist of the 9/11 killers, but killing someone from an entirely different religion, because you are an ignorant hick should certainly lose you the right to breathe the communal air.

    Also I suspect that Mr Patel, also mentioned, was almost certainly a Hindu, not a Muslim.

  121. tedders Says:

    ” but killing someone from an entirely different religion, because you are an ignorant hick should certainly lose you the right to breathe the communal air.”

    As killing anyone, for any reason would.

    I’m fairly sure that anyone who would even consider such a heinous act would possess such a high level of ignorance that the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim wouldn’t register in their knowledge base. The wheels of justice may turn slowly but soon enough those ignorant murdering hicks won’t be counted as using communal air.

  122. leo Says:

    Twosret @ 118,

    Jo the Plumber is not running for President. Scrutinizing him is useless. It is Obama’s psyche that concerns me. Nobody was twisting Obama’s arm when he was shooting his mouth.

    BTW, first make sure whether Jo is required to have a license or not.

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  124. Becky Says:

    No tedders, I am making fun of you.
    Unless your state adoptive song is “Sweet Home Alabama”.
    Then I am on the same page :) I hear that song at least once a day on the car radio.
    What exactly is a hick? While on the topic, what is a sandmonkey?
    Is that a derrogatory word?! I sincerely have never heard of a sandmonkey..lemers, maybe. Sorry for the ignorant question, we don’t make fun of Egyptians here :D

  125. Becky Says:

    #119- “who is not even a plumber!”
    :) funny.
    Honestly, during the debate, I thought they were talking about a hypothetical situation. The next day we meet the real, “Joe the Plumber”. No Joke.
    This election is really odd.
    Why joke around when we have reality to look at..gets to confusing

  126. Becky Says:

    Plumbers actually make good money. No pity party for Joe.
    Why don’t they talk about minimum wage elderly or childcare jobs? I guess those jobs are not nearly as important as plumbing.

    Hey, did anyone see Sarah Palin on SNL? I missed it :(

  127. Becky Says:

    Ew, forget that one. thanks for the warning. I refuse to waste time and mouse energy on sites like that

  128. Becky Says:

    What is so offending about a “curious george” monkey? That really doesn’t make any sense at all. That guy needs to refine his visual statement goals.
    I actually asked around about this, and the people I know think of monkeys as silly.

  129. leo Says:

    I think ‘sandmonkey’ is the term Arabs invented for themselves not to be outdone by Jews who have their ‘kike’ since nobody can remember.

  130. Becky Says:

    Okay, I’ll google it. :)

  131. tedders Says:

    “No tedders, I am making fun of you.
    Unless your state adoptive song is “Sweet Home Alabama”.
    Then I am on the same page I hear that song at least once a day on the car radio.”

    ?? the post you’re referring to was Twos and my game of claiming posts numbered 100, 200 or 300 … “Sweet Home Alabama” can be heard here on the classic rock station any day of the year? I may be missing something here, or maybe we’ve both slept since then!! LOL Were the heck is Sam, me thinks he must be bored with the never ending election hyperbole! HOpe all had a great weekend!!

  132. Becky Says:

    Actually, I forget.
    Where is he? This election is getting rougher evry day

  133. Becky Says:

    I’m bored.
    HEY!! We need some entertainment here!

  134. Becky Says:

    We miss you!
    Maybe the Onion has some funny videos

  135. leo Says:


    You are our resident expert on Iraqi Kurdistan.
    I would like to ask you a question.
    I heard Kurds are pushing out/killing Assirians (aka Chaldeans, aka Syriacs) in Mosul and elsewhere.
    Is this true and if so why?
    Any opinion on that?

    Thank you very much.

  136. النمس Says:

    Expert? Wow…cool. :) Up here, in the actual “Kurdish Region,” there is a large Christian population that, to the best of my knowledge, peacefully co-exists with everyone else. In the time that I have been here, there have been no instances of sectarian violence of which I am aware. Suni, Shia, Assyrian, Chaldean, etc, Kurds all live side by side up here without any problems.

    Of course, there is a distrust and prejudice of one another, but I have not seen anything escalate to violence. Up here, people get along and lead normal lives, but it is clear that there are prejudices simmering underneath the surface. They work together, but do they like each other?

    I regularly get asked by Christians up here if I am a Christian too, and they are relieved and show me their cross or tattoo, signifying that we are “the same.” And then they sometimes start saying things about Muslims that I know to be untrue. When I protest, the conversation ends up going nowhere, as they are extremely adamant in their beliefs. This is not to discount that they are a minority and have undergone persecution, as thy clearly have, as have other religions. However, it seems that getting people to open their minds will be extremely difficult, as these beliefs are deeply entrenched, apparently, on all sides. I hate to say it, and this is clearly a gross generalisation, but from my observations, Iraqis in general are very distrustful of “the other.” It seems common that one group instinctively hates another. And these prejudices are tough to break, as they are taught these beliefs at an early age. And in my opinion, this inherent distrust is one of the major problems in unifying the country. But to be clear, it is both sectarian and ethnic.

    I know that there have been some tragic reports in Mosul of Christians being targeted, but I am not certain that it is the Kurds that are doing it. Some Kurds may have participated, but to me, it seems more a sectarian and religious problem rather than an ethnic one, i.e. Muslim-Christian, rather than Arab-Kurd.

    In Kirkuk, there has been a push to relocate Arabs and move in Kurds prior to the referendum mandated by the Constitution, which at this point may never take place. Kirkuk was historically a Kurdish area, but Saddam moved in Arabs and moved the Kurds out. Prior to the referendum on whether Kirkuk joins the Region or remains a part of Federal Iraq, the Kurdish government wants to reverse this, so that the city votes to join the Region. So in that way, yes, they are moving people out, but the migration is focused on non-Kurds, and is not based on religious grounds. And the oil in the city has made the situation all the more tenuous. So if you are a Christian Kurd, you are welcome to stay, but if you are not Kurdish, regardless of religion, you may be “asked” to leave. Some of the relocation may have been a bit heavy-handed, I really don’t know, but they are supposedly offering incentives, such as money and homes to those that move. So I hear. Though that does not make the situation much better, as people are in a way, being forced out, even if it is to reverse the Kurds being forced out 30 or so years ago.

    Well, I hope this helps answer your question. Let me know if there is anything else. :)


  137. leo Says:


    I appreciate your reply. A lot of interesting info.

    Thank you very much.

    PS. I heard about it on Fox News among other sources so I imagine the scale of this process is not so small if even those guys noticed.

  138. EgyPeter Says:

    Well, here’s a Reuters story on Christians in northern Iraq. Pretty sad.

  139. Becky Says:

    Thank you for the information!
    It is so easy to forget this when the economy, election and hollywood take over the American news.
    It’s almost like we are continually sucked in a vacuum, and need to struggle for other news and opinions. I think with so many lies (people do that so well!) and deaths it is difficult to have an open mind about anything.
    It seems as though a lot of people I know choose to keep quiet, or not partake in the “gang mentality” of various opinions. It’s just healthier to avoid an argument.
    Thanks, again. Do any of you have favourite sites or blogs for international information?

  140. Ginan Rauf Says:

    Looks like the ranting sandmonkey is actually buying the earmark crap. wonder if he’s buying the Joe the plumber bs as well. Please. Now it looks like the other Maverick has been spending some serious money to the tune of
    150,000 dollars to from those disgusting 5th avenue stores in the big apple that bastion of liberalism where mr. small town Guiliana puts on lipstick even as he cheers small America on with drill baby drill and this guy in Egypt- who really should be a bit more cynical given the current situation over there- is still giving these guys advice……


  141. leo Says:

    Ginan Rauf,

    All I understood is that you and Obama are afraid of Palin.

    I am sure this is not what you meant to say.

    Please, one more time and slower.

    Thank you

  142. brooklynjon Says:


    I’ll summarize:

    Boo, McCain and Palin!

    Hooray, Obama!

    The rest was filler.

  143. النمس Says:

    It was a bit more incomprehensible than that. In fact, I think it takes the skills of what is probably the only Green Party member in the vicinity of SM territory to deciphere it. And form my “expert” (thanks leo) skills of deduction, I believe the message that was trying to be conveyed was:

    Boo McCain and Palin!

    And Boo Saks and Neiman Marcus (I can handle the first Booing, but not the second, to which I myself take great personal offence…yes, somehow I can reconcile Green values and Neimans)

    and Horray McKinney and Clemente!


    أو ممكن … الخبير؟

  144. Becky Says:

    Where’s Sandmonkey?And where’s scum?
    You guys are blah…come back little scumGremlin :D

  145. leo Says:


    I was serious when I called you an expert.




    Sandmonkey invented this name for himself and, if I am not mistaking, it has something to do with “sand nigger”. As to why, ask SM directly.

  146. النمس Says:

    Leo, don’t worry mate, I wasn’t trying to take the piss, I know you meant it as a compliment. It’s just weird to be referred to as an expert is all :) I do appreciate it though. Thanks :)

  147. brooklynjon Says:


    If I could afford to shop in Saks, I might vote Green too!


  148. النمس Says:

    hahahaha, if only i could actually shop there, lol. would be nice.

  149. leo Says:

    I am currently camping outside local ’5th [b]off[/b]‘ waiting for my wife to come out.

  150. leo Says:

    Correction: ’5th off

    and 150 if it matters.

  151. Becky Says:

    Honestly, I don’t recall scum being nice to me either. Maybe he is at anger management camp.

    Leo, thankyou for the translation. Actually someone I know said something along the same lines about the monkey? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
    Curios George is a children’s book. Unless there are anti patriotic themes hidden throughout the books (like they did with nursery rhymes), they may as well just take an Elmo or a cookie monster and say the same thing. I don’t think many young people understood #69.

    Just in the past few months, at least 7 homes have been auctioned or put up for sale on my street. 150,000 dollars for clothes, cosmetics, etc. really
    doesn’t go over well with a lot of people here (in the midwest). I wonder why Cindy McCain just didn’t take Palin and her family out shopping a few times?
    After the election, then show how much it cost them for the image.
    I would think that votes are more important than a few serious shopping sprees for the party.

    SM is kind of scary. I’m not asking him anything directly. He may spew intellectual venom at me.

  152. Becky Says:

    Maybe 150 is half a point.

    I wonder how long it took the Palin family to spend all of that money?

  153. Becky Says:

    Wow, 2′s…you’ve been here since the beginning of this blog all by yourself?
    I’m impressed. :D Thanks for the links :)

  154. leo Says:


    According to what I heard straight from the horse’s mouth, these $150K of clothes are not Palin’s property but rather of RNC. Clothes will be worn for a while then auctioned off and proceeds donated to charity of RNC’s choice. My guess $150K will be easily turned into $2M – $3M. Some lucky charity will finally be able to share the wealth provided completely voluntary.

    PS. I would rather have my President and Vice President look presentable. Forget Woolworth’s. And one more thing, it is their money.

  155. النمس Says:

    Share the wealth???? hehehehehe just kidding man, and doing my best to take that quote out of context. How was your wait outside Off 5th? Wish we had one here in Iraq, lol. Or back at home for that matter… …

  156. tedders Says:

    On Mrs. McCain’s or Palin’s personal choice of outfits:

    designer jacket $1,200
    designer shoes $ 800
    designer skirt $ 1000
    hair stylist $ 800

    Reducing Democratic and imbecilic liberal
    media critics to sexist jerks …


    Of course there’s nary a mention in the media of the McCains adoption of a child with a cleft palate from Mother Theresa’s orphanage, or how she has personally gone on at least 50 trips to 3rd World countries for weeks at a time to volunteer, hands on, as well as give financially?

    No, the media would rather talk about how much her dress costs or her addiction to prescription pain meds 20 years ago.

    Typical smears by the drive-by media.

    Class warfare, personal attacks.

    What’s next?

    A rumor that Palin’s teenaged daughter had an abortion last year?

    Whoops, too late, they already tried that one!

    Keep it up MSM. Keep it up lefties.

    Show the entire country how petty, bitter and vindictive you all are, then wonder why in November your candidate is giving a concessions speech while the GOP is celebrating winning the big one once again.


  157. leo Says:


    I think you just made a joke.

    You probably heard that Dems are preparing huge bash in Chicago’s Grand Park to celebrate Obama’s victory. I wonder if they are building Concession Speech Podium over there.

  158. النمس Says:

    Um, but wasn’t the GOP all up in arms about the costs of Clinton’s clothing and Edwards’ $400 haircut? This just seems extremely hypocritical is all. I agree that such arguing is inane and needs to stop, but it needs to stop from all sides. It would be nice if people actually focused on the issues, as opposed to Monica Lewinsky, how many lines Bush did in college, Edwards’ hair, and Palin’s clothes. To me, these are petty personal arguments that merely take our eyes off of the issues at hand, those being, among other things, who is more qualified to be President and whose policies are “better.” (By the way, for that much money, couldn’t she at least get a decent personal stylist? :P )

  159. leo Says:

    Agree on $400 haircut. Disagree on Lewinsky.

    Lewinsky affair was not about sex. It was about Clinton lying under oath.

    Granted, Clinton was set up and I do not like the way it was handled and country probably shot itself in the foot but it does not change the fact.

  160. النمس Says:

    Leo, very good point. Although I believe Clinton was a fantastic President otherwise, I do have problems with his lying under oath, regardless of the topic or how it came about. It is my opinion that we must demand more from those in government, especially those in the upper echelons.

    However, Fox News and the like seemed to downgrade perjury to a “technicality” when Scooter Libby was charged with it. (Although I haven’t searched for any specific instances of that word being used, that was the general feeling I got from the “Conservative Media.”) It was almost like they forgot that was the reason Clinton was impeached. Which makes me think that, in their, minds, it really was about the sex, and that the “technicality” was the means to justify their end, or that they were being incredibly hypocritical. (Well, considering Mr. Gingrich, I guess it was hypocrisy either way, lol) Granted, Libby was not President, but he was still a higher-up in the Administration, and what he lied about, in my opinion, was more important than lying about sex. Regardless, lying under oath should be properly punished. Both individuals were punished, but it was almost like many in the country felt that Libby’s punishment was unjust and undeserved.

    And yes, given the current polarisation of the media, the 2 main parties, and in fact, the country, this debate probably could go on forever, and I am sure there are innumerable counter-points to whatever either of us bring up, lol. All sides are guilty of the same thing: over-hyping an extremely stupid argument, and then back-tracking when one of their own is “guilty” of committing the same “offence.” (I’m not trying to end the debate here or deprive you of your reply, just merely acknowledging the fact that you surely have a legitimate one already on the tip of your tongue :) )


    p.s. Has anyone heard about this story:

  161. النمس Says:

    Wait, I forgot to add the obvious point that many also felt that Clinton’s punishment was unjust and undeserved :)

  162. Becky Says:

    Well, I wouldn’t want Palin to look like “My Big Redneck Wedding”
    It seems kind of presumptious…arrogant? to compare Palins clothes to someone like Princess Dianna. It’s pretty obvious the facts/numbers wouldn’t go over well with the “average Joella”, so why did the RNC stage such a production? To distract voters? It just doesn’t make a lot of sense. And you don’t have to freaking attack me, I’m not a big democrat fan either. American politics make people into psycho pitbulls. I do enjoy the SNL interpretations though :) That guy who plays Joe Biden is awesome :)

  163. Becky Says:

    Has anyone seen the movie “W” ?
    Ouch. I haven’t seen it, but that is just, plain cruel.

  164. Becky Says:

    sorry about the spelling up there :)

  165. Becky Says:

    I don’t think Woolworths is around anymore
    Maybe that American enough? :D

  166. leo Says:

    “(I’m not trying to end the debate here or deprive you of your reply, just merely acknowledging the fact that you surely have a legitimate one already on the tip of your tongue :) )”

    Do not worry. If I’ll have something to say I will.

    Problem is I happens to agree that politics are hypocritical business.

    Just for the sake of playing devil’s advocate for a bit longer, Clinton came first, Scooter Libby came second. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

  167. leo Says:

    Woolworth’s is not around anymore and Walmart never claimed to sell all-for-a-dime.

  168. Becky Says:

  169. Becky Says:

    Her husband didn’t even buy her a wedding ring?!
    She must not want the Catholic vote…the RNC knew this would happen
    (rolling eyes smiley) :D

  170. Becky Says:

    Why is she shaking hands with her left hand anyway?

  171. LN Says:

    Horrible news report here …
    11-year-old kicked to death by teacher in Alexandria

    SM, where r u when we need u? Hope u r doing ok.

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